Awakened at Gilead

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  Coming to a KH near you...the generation/new light WT

  by Mickey mouse in

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  next weekend congregations around the world will be studying the wt article on the new definition of a "generation".. i would think there will be an epidemic of cognitive dissonance.

  this must be the first time there has been a change of doctrine on a singular topic twice in 13 years.

  for those still in like me, use the opportunity to get your partner thinking..

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  Somebody Needs To Make A T-Shirt Or Tie That Reads

  I Survived The 1995 2008 Generation Change!

  LMAO!!!
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  Duzzent enybody pruf reed thair thred topiks?

  by Gregor in

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  it is almost like reading code.

  seems like more errors than one sees in regular responses.

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  Awakened at Gilead

  Layla:I am never just on this board/forum, even when I post, I am doing two and three different things

  Yeah, I agree... when I am on JWD I am also trying to concentrate on a bunch of other things at the same time...

  But for many JW's education has not been an option, so spelling has suffered. It's not too late to start, though.

  AaG
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  Would YOU Remain A JW If You Thought The Watchtower Could Be Reformed?

  by minimus in

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  personally, i don't think the organization is reformable.

  while i was an elder, i tried to be a more moderate voice and as i grew older any harsher attitudes disappaited from within me.

  as they say, all the good (and smart) elders have left.

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  I don't believe in the Watchtower. So what use is reform?
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  A revelation for me: the revelation of Revelation

  by Eyes Open in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i was reading the thread about revelation, and some research i did on the beginning of chapter 10 of the apocalyptic book came to mind, so i thought i'd share it here in case anyone's interested.. as an ignorant jehovah's witness, i had no idea of the real literary structure of the book.

  the watchtower society makes out the mighty angel in 10:1 who stands on the sea and earth is jesus christ, and that the contents of the little scroll he hands john is a prophecy to be fulfilled after 1914. to grasp the simple truth that the strong angel in 10:1 is the angel alluded to in 1:1, and that the little scroll is actually the scroll which has been progressively unsealed in 6:1 to 8:1, was very satisfying.

  it describes the revelation being given to john, which contains the main content of the prophetic work!.

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  OK, that's what I thought you said, but wanted to make sure.... So yes, this was what woke me up. We had to read the whole Bible in the 3 months before going to Gilead. The week before Gilead started, I read Revelation. It was a revelation, as when I read Rev 1:10 I read the footnote, and the thought that the WTS COULD be wrong made me start doubting the whole thing. As I read the rest of the book, I read it with that possible other interpretation in mind, and I got a completely different idea from it. It was a powerful seed, that led me to doubt much of what I learned at Gilead, and right out of the "truth"....

  AaG
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  1931...when the term JW was coined...

  by kzjw in

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  does anyone know what happened "other" int'l bible students when the jw's went thier seperate way?

  hwat religions did they become?

  i'm trying to get a grasp of thier history....

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  Yeah, We only know about Maria Russell what the WTS spews out, so its a shame she didn't spill the beans...
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  I met Joseph Rutherford today!!!! Really!!!!

  by Awakened at Gilead in

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  i was at a meeting today for my job.

  about 30-40 people were there, most (besides me) movers and shakers in the public health field in new york.

  as i looked on the list of attendees, one name struck my eye..... joseph rutherford... this led to an interesting experience for me (sorry to use such theocratic sounding terms, i'm such a newbie!!!).

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  Yes, interestingly someone from one of my online classes told me that when she met me in person she noticed that I would kind of keep to myself. But I'm glad now that I consider my fellow humans my fellow humans, not just objects to be preached to.

  AaG
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  A revelation for me: the revelation of Revelation

  by Eyes Open in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i was reading the thread about revelation, and some research i did on the beginning of chapter 10 of the apocalyptic book came to mind, so i thought i'd share it here in case anyone's interested.. as an ignorant jehovah's witness, i had no idea of the real literary structure of the book.

  the watchtower society makes out the mighty angel in 10:1 who stands on the sea and earth is jesus christ, and that the contents of the little scroll he hands john is a prophecy to be fulfilled after 1914. to grasp the simple truth that the strong angel in 10:1 is the angel alluded to in 1:1, and that the little scroll is actually the scroll which has been progressively unsealed in 6:1 to 8:1, was very satisfying.

  it describes the revelation being given to john, which contains the main content of the prophetic work!.

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  Awakened at Gilead

  This has come up before, so I thought I'd mention that the Society misinterprets Revelation 1:10 as referring to the eschatological "Day of the Lord". The phrase that appears therein is kuriaké hémera, not hémera tou kuriou which is the expression that has eschatological scope in the Greek Bible (cf. Isaiah 13:6 LXX, Ezekiel 13:5 LXX, Amos 5:18 LXX, Acts 2:20, 1 Thessalonians 5:2, 2 Peter 3:10). The quite different term kuriaké rather was used to refer to the day of the week on which Jesus was resurrected (and the Eucharist was celebrated), i.e. Sunday (cf. Ignatius, Magnesians 9:1, Didache 14:1, Gospel of Peter 12:50, Clement of Alexandria, Stromateis 17.12, Pseudo-Clementine Recognitions 10.72, etc.; cf. kuriakon deipon in 1 Corinthians 11:20 to refer to the Eucharist, and Barnabas 15:9 which refers to the "eighth day" of the week, i.e. the day after the sabbath, as the one that Christians keep "for rejoicing, in which also Jesus rose from the dead"). The author was saying that he received the vision on a Sunday; compare Daniel 10:4 which states that Daniel received his vision "on the twenty-fourth day of the first month". That the author of Revelation construed his visions and admonitions as pertaining to the time he lived in, and not some distant future time, is patent from their immediacy (cf. 1:1, 2:16, 3:11, 3:20, 17:10, 22:10, 12, 20), as well as the allusions to political and cultural elements from the time (cf. especially the parody of the goddess Roma in ch. 17 and the detailed description of the Roman trade network in ch. 18).

  I'm sorry, Leolaia, but I went through Gilead and was a JW for 24 years, so my "perceptive powers" are not as well trained as yours. In fact that's all greek to me.

  Can you write that again in plain English so that even a recent xJW like myself can understand? (You know we JW's never went to college, so please be patient...)
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  A revelation for me: the revelation of Revelation

  by Eyes Open in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i was reading the thread about revelation, and some research i did on the beginning of chapter 10 of the apocalyptic book came to mind, so i thought i'd share it here in case anyone's interested.. as an ignorant jehovah's witness, i had no idea of the real literary structure of the book.

  the watchtower society makes out the mighty angel in 10:1 who stands on the sea and earth is jesus christ, and that the contents of the little scroll he hands john is a prophecy to be fulfilled after 1914. to grasp the simple truth that the strong angel in 10:1 is the angel alluded to in 1:1, and that the little scroll is actually the scroll which has been progressively unsealed in 6:1 to 8:1, was very satisfying.

  it describes the revelation being given to john, which contains the main content of the prophetic work!.

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  Awakened at Gilead

  I immediately came across verse 10 of chapter 1 which states: "By inspiration I came to be inthe Lord's day..."
  

  So written for those for his time or not, the visions have the setting of "The Lord's Day" which are the end-times.

  JC,

  Rev 1:10 was actually one of the scriptures that started me down towards my path to apostasy... If you read the footnote it says "I came to be under inspiration on the Lord's day".

  So some in Christendom think that it refers to a particular day that John received the Revelation. Maybe Sunday. Maybe not. But by using the word on instead of in you change the whole framework. Maybe it's not talkling about the supposed Lord's Day that began in 1914, but rather to a particular day that conmmemorated the Lord back then, whether Sunday, Nisan 14, or whatever. The idea that this alternate rendering might be correct is found in verse 11, since John is told to send what he sees to the congregations back then! If the application of the prophecy would only be 1900 years later, there would be now need to send a copy to the local congs, but rather he could hold onto it until the supposed time of the end...

  Have you ever given any thought to how this equally possible alternate rendering of Rev 1:10 would change the whole WTS view of the Apocalypse? I did, and that thought led me to question everything else that the WTS teaches, because they base evrything on possibilities and then teach them as if they were absolute realities... Going through Gilead and seeing how everything in the Bible supposedly pointed to their miserable history in 1919 and shortly thereafter really woke me up... Which is why I was...

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  DID ANY OF YOU actually bring anybody into "the truth" from scratch?

  by journey-on in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  in all my years of jwing, i never actually brought anyone up to the stage of baptism.. i had bible studies occasionally, but they usually fizzled out after a while.

  i can't think.

  of more than a small handful of witnesses that ever actually got a study from door-to-door.

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  Yes actually I did help a few along to get baptized. Most had been studying with others and then I helped put the last nail in the coffin...

  Some others I found in the field, and they went on to study with others and got baptized...

  What a crying shame and waste of time...

  AaG
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  JW Secret Police

  by outofthebox in

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  2. friends

  i heard about a special group inside the organization.

  its sole purpose is to find and judicialy process disidents (or apostates as they called them).

  have you heard of such secret police before?

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  Awakened at Gilead

  I agree with Snakes and the rest... I went through Gilead and there was no talk of secret police.... Just report the cursing Lev5:1 so you don't share in the sins of others...haha this is me